Just like The Tallest Man On Earth, Dutch folk musician Thijs Kuijken started playing and releasing as I Am Oak at about the same time as this project, The Influences. At the time, around 2008, I was still writing for the local music website 3VOOR12/Utrecht and saw him perform with some regularity. At first mainly introverted and with visible discomfort, but invariably with strong and beautiful songs. Kuijken also played on a The Influences session of The Secret Love Parade, but miraculously – despite the intentions of both sides – we never got round to filming a session for The Influences with I Am Oak. Until now.

With his beautiful new album Time Drifts just released, we filmed Dreamt Of You (featuring Immen) and covers of Arthur Russell’s Lucky Cloud and Joanna Newsom’s Peach, Plum, Pear.

On the same day and place – Ruisendaal Studio in Den Dolder – we recorded three more sessions, with Immen, Chima and Tamara van Esch. The first two of them are available on theinfluences.com already.

“Often that first hunch is the best.”

Just like Conor O’Brien said about the latest Villagers album That Golden Time, Thijs Kuijken recorded all of Time Drifts‘ songs himself, in the music room of his house. Originally with the aim of taking them to a studio as demos, but eventually he discovered that – apart from a piano – the songs needed nothing more. “I like that I can take my time. In a studio you have to have everything in order and do everything in a very closed time. That can also work well. But I think it’s cool to just have the time for that. Anytime I’m home and have inspiration, I can work on something.”

“This way it can sometimes only be half an hour. That is not possible in a studio. Having a room at home works very well for me. I can give up very easily. Because I can go do something else for a while and come back later. But you can also jump back in very easily if you feel inspired. You have to be disciplined too.”

A common pitfall that comes into play in your own studio is the tendency to become a perfectionist. Kuijken recognizes that aspect of it: “Yes, that’s something I certainly ran into with this record, Time Drifts. I’ve worked on it for a year, coming back to songs very often, throwing things away and making new ones again. Often that first hunch is the best, with adjustments here and there.”

“I don’t think it will ever go away.”

The longer you work on something alone, the less you know how it really comes across, Kuijken realizes. “That’s why I often have to rely on my first impression. When I’m working on an album, I keep a number of songs because I decide they’re worth keeping. The further I get in such an album process, the more I go up and down from ‘this is all good’, to ‘oh no, I really have to scrap everything and start over’. I have to rely on that moment when I thought ‘this is cool, I’m going to keep this’. Even though I may think differently about it at some moments later.”

It is a process that is probably familiar to all artists. “I don’t think it will ever go away. And I think it’s a good thing because you start listening critically. And the longer you sit with something, the more critical you may become. It’s a bit of a search for that balance of do I really have to do something to make it better or was it just good and I’m now going a bit crazy.” Thijs Kuijken keeps working on his music by himself for as long as possible. “If I have something substantial, I let a few people hear it, especially to see what their first impression is. That helps me to have perspective.”

“I am more confident about who I am as a musician.”

Back to fifteen, sixteen years ago. A hugely different time. “We were in a different phase of life then, but the world was also different. Just like the music industry. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it’s different. Making music still feels the same, also because I still do so much myself and at home.” The things that inspire Kuijken have changed. “In the last ten years I have gradually been listening more to instrumental music. Some longer pieces; a lot of jazz stuff and some minimalistic, classical stuff.”

“At the start of my career I referred more to other music that I listened to. I do that much less now. I don’t listen to the kind of music I make myself anymore. And I gradually refer increasingly to my own music. That has been a big change, over the years.”

This is especially the case with the last two I Am Oak albums – on which Kuijken sounds even more confident and self-aware. As if all the important pieces have fallen into place, whereas on earlier records he was searching a bit. “Yes, I think it is. I’ve taken more time to work songs out. I am more confident about who I am as a musician. And I don’t have to mirror myself to others.”

With a new album it is almost impossible not to mirror yourself. “How does this fit in with the other music out there? But I’m trying to let go of that more and it worked out well with the last two albums. To stay as close to myself as possible.”

Arthur Russell – Lucky Cloud

Since 2008, Arthur Russell has been a musician that Thijs Kuijken finds very inspiring. “There is one record, World of Echo, which I still listen to regularly ever since. That’s the only record I’ve listened to for such a long time, so continuously. It is so elusive; you can get something new every time. It remains interesting.”

“Lucky Cloud is on another, slightly more poppy record called Another Thought. I think that song was also the first song I heard from Arthur Russell. At least the first song where I thought: ‘Wow, what is this?’ It was something I had never heard before. When I found out it was from the eighties, it somehow made that even more interesting, because it was so timeless. And then I started checking everything. It’s really very vague and experimental, but also with very poppy, beautiful moments. A remarkably interesting combination. So, he is still worth a lot to me.”

“Discovering Joanna Newsom felt like a green light: this is allowed.”

Thijs Kuijken discovered the music of Joanna Newsom a little earlier than Arthur Russell. “The album that had Peach, Plum, Pear on it is from 2004. It’s all a bit folky, acoustic, as a basis. I was also into Michael Hurley and that whole clique of Devendra Banhart and the acts on his Golden Apples of the Sun compilation.”

“When I discovered that, I thought: ‘Oh, this is what I want!’ I suddenly recognized something I had been looking for. The same goes for Joanna Newsom. Her music sounded free and a at times a bit strange, but also very accessible and poppy. And I found that interesting. I could identify with that very well. I was already heading in that direction, but that was a green light; This is allowed, this is possible.”

In the Netherlands, and in Utrecht, there were not very many comparable artists prominently present in 2008. “The first comparable musician I came across was The Subhuman (Stefan Breuer), who later joined my band and The Black Atlantic, with whom I later made an album as Black Oak.” Meeting people who feel and want the same thing was refreshing for Kuijken anyway. Growing up in a village near Eindhoven, where there was little music to be found. Except perhaps the scene of hardcore skate punks. “As a teenager I was interested in that, but as a slightly older teenager I started to discover that freak folk scene via the internet. I noticed quickly that this suited me more.”

It’s quite remarkable how many musicians who eventually end up making fairly acoustic folk, found their origins in harder punk or grunge music. “That was also the era when demos of bands appeared via the internet and if you listened to Nirvana demos, it was also a bit Michael Hurleyesque, lo-fi. And if you look at which artists Kurt Cobain covered, I think that’s where my origins also lie a bit.”

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Thank you for watching and enjoying this session. You’ll probably like some other sessions from The Influences’ archive too, like these earlier ones we filmed with musicians from Utrecht.

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